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jET.That isn't a poem! That's from a lecture I gave at Singapore's Nanyang University in late 1975! PN: Yes; but do you agree that there is a poetic quality in those lines? ET: Perhaps. The idiom of contemporary poetry has reached a point where it is very close to prose. Moreover, the point I was making in that lecture lies very close to our fundamental thinking. The history of the last two hundred years in our part of the world was made by colonial incursion. As a reaction to that, we must re-think, re-write and reorientate our history. Such a revitalization of our history deals with large entities, large problems. In the meantime, people live. In that passage, whatever the aesthetic quality, I tried to capture our sense of that almost hidden essence of our lives. What I was and what I am really concerned with is social history: the intimate decisions and events within families. Not with governments or other centers of formal power. PN: Isn't language one of those entities you have been most conscious of? The colonial inheritance . . . the fact that the English language itself has carried the burden of that inheritance within it? You deal with those ques tions in your introduction to The Second Tongue: An Anthology of Poetry from Malaysia and Singapore. And the most pressing issue is the one with which I began ... : Are you conscious of compressing language in such a way that your audience is not aware that the prose is poetry or, to put it the other

Edwin Thumboo Interviewed by Peter Nazareth